William James TATE (1875-1966?)

Name:	William James TATE¹
Sex:	Male
Father:	Henry TATE (1845-1938)
Mother:	Mary OLDEN (1845-1929)

Individual Events and Attributes

Birth	18 Oct 1875	Stockbridge, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^2,3,4,5
	West Dean, Salisbury, Hants/Wilts, SP5 1JF
Census	3 Apr 1881 (age 5)	Romsey, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^6,7
	Hatt Hill, Mottisfont, Hants, SO51 0LH
Occupation	5 Apr 1891 (age 15)	Scholar; Romsey, Hampshire, England "GRO District"⁸
Census	5 Apr 1891 (age 15)	Romsey, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^7,8
	Hatt Hill, Mottisfont, Hants, SO51 0LH
Occupation	27 Jul 1901 (age 25)	Plumber; Poplar, London, England "GRO District"⁹
Residence	27 Jul 1901 (age 25)	Poplar, London, England "GRO District"⁹
	164, Devons Road, Bow, Bromley, London, E3 3PU
Occupation	frm Nov 1903 to 1905 (age 28-30)	Gas Fitter; Poplar, London, England "GRO District"^10,11
Residence	1 Nov 1903 (age 28)	Poplar, London, England "GRO District"¹⁰
	12, Burdett Street, Tower Hamlets, Poplar, London, E3
Residence	22 Jan 1905 (age 29)	Poplar, London, England "GRO District"¹¹
	2, Streatfield Road, Tower Hamlets, Poplar, London, E3
Occupation	2 Apr 1911 (age 35)	Gas Fitter employee in a Railway Works; Winchester, Hampshire, England¹²
	Industry or Service with which worker is connected: Railway Works Whether Employer, Worker, or Working on Own Account: Worker
Census	2 Apr 1911 (age 35)	Winchester, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^12,13
	23, St.Margarets Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants, SO50 6DG
Will Executor	22 Aug 1930 (age 54)	father Henry; Winchester, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^14,15
	Treforest, North End Road, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Hants, SO53 3AX
Will Legacy	22 Aug 1930 (age 54)	father Henry; Winchester, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^14,15
	Treforest, North End Road, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Hants, SO53 3AX
Occupation	29 Sep 1939 (age 63)	Gas Fitter Heavy Worker; Eastleigh, Hampshire, England "GRO District"⁵
Census	29 Sep 1939 (age 63)	Eastleigh, Hampshire, England "GRO District"⁵
	64, Southampton Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants, SO50 5Q?
Residence	1940 (app) (age 64-65)	Winchester, Hampshire, England¹⁶
	64, Southampton Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants, SO50 5Q?
Inheritance	13 Dec 1956 (age 81)	£97 10s 9d from his sister Bertha & father Henry; Winchester, Hampshire, England¹⁷
	"White‚ Brooks & Gilman"‚ Lloyds Bank Chambers, 2 / 4, Leigh Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants, SO50 9FH (now Knight Polson)
Inheritance	26 Sep 1958 (age 82)	£30 0s 4d from his father Henry; Winchester, Hampshire, England¹⁸
	"White‚ Brooks & Gilman"‚ Lloyds Bank Chambers, 2 / 4, Leigh Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants, SO50 9FH (now Knight Polson)
Death	18 Apr 1966 (app) (age 92)	Winchester, Hampshire, England^{3,19,20,21,22}
Burial	Apr 1966	Eastleigh, Hampshire, England "GRO District"^23,24
	Eastleigh Cemetery, Brookwood Avenue, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants, SO50 9EN

Marriage

Spouse	Maud Lily FLOWERS (1880-1969?)
Children	William TATE (1902-1988)
	Sidney TATE (1903-1904)
	Gladys Ivy TATE (1905-1993)
	Ronald TATE (1906-1983?)
	Winifred TATE (1908- )
	Matthew TATE (1909-1989)
	Hilda TATE (1911-2002)
	Megan TATE (1914-1995)
	Bernard TATE (1916-1998)
	Lilian TATE (1919-1974)
	Maud TATE (1919-1920)
Marriage	27 Jul 1901 (age 25)	Poplar, London, England "GRO District"^9,22
	St.Stephen's Parish Church, Tredegar Road, Bow, Stratford, London, E3 2EL
Years Married	2 Apr 1911 (age 35)	9¹²
Child Census	2 Apr 1911 (age 35)	6 born, 5 living, 1 died¹²

Sources

1	Donald TATE, TATE, Donald 1965-1973 Genealogy Records. Cit. Date: 1973 (approx.).

GRO, TATE, William James 1875 Birth (1875 Q4 Stockbridge 2c 83 E?).

Text From Source:
District:	Stockbridge

Index 484: TATE, William James Stockbridge 2c 83.

Cit. Date: Q4 1875.

Source: TATE, William James 1875 Birth, TATE, William James 1875 Q4 Birth FreeBMD

3	Donald TATE, TATE, Donald 1965-1973 Genealogy Records. Cit. Date: from 1965 to 1973.

4	Locations Database Record West Dean, Salisbury, Hants/Wilts
	District: Stockbridge.

TNA, 1939 RG101 2331A 021 41 TATE, William James (RG101 2331A 021 41 EDGV 278).

Text From Source:

Ref:

RG101/2331A/021/41

Letter Code:

EDGV

County:

Hampshire

Borough:

Eastleigh

District:

101-3

Address:

64, Southampton Road

Name of person

Status

Gender

Birthdate

Cond.

Occupation

Schedule

William J Fate

18 Oct 1875

Gas Fitter Heavy Worker

278 1

Maud L Fate

07 Aug 1880

Unpaid Domestic Duties

278 2

Cit. Date: 29 September 1939.

Source: 1939 RG101 2331A 021 41 TATE, William James, 1939 RG101 2331A 021 41 TATE, William James FindMyPast

GRO, 1881 RG11 1226 054 16 TATE, Henry (RG11 1226 054 16 95).

Text From Source:

District:

Romsey

Sub-district:

Michelmersh

Enum.District:

Eccl.District:

Mottisfont St.Andrews

Parish:

Mottisfont

City/Borough:

Romsey Union

Address:

Hatt Hill, Mottisfont

County:

Hampshire

Name

Relation

Condition

Sex

Age

Occupation

Where Born

Henry Tate

Head

Mar

Inspector of Railway

Llanrabon, Glamorgan

Mary Tate

Wife

Mar

" Wife

Lockerley, Hants

Henry Tate

Son

Unm

" Son

West Dean, Wilts

William J Tate

Son

Unm

West Dean, Wilts

Robert B Tate

Son

Unm

West Dean, Wilts

Norman Tate

Son

Unm

Mottisfont, Hants

Maria Bungay

Servant

Unm

General Servant

Grimstead, Wilts

Cit. Date: 3 April 1881.

Source: 1881 RG11 1226 054 16 TATE, Henry, 1881 RG11 1226 054 16 TATE, Henry FindMyPast

7	Locations Database Record Hatt Hill, Mottisfont, Hants
	District: Romsey.

GRO, 1891 RG12 0931 047 15 TATE, Henry (RG12 0931 047 15 94).

Text From Source:

District:

Romsey

Sub-district:

Michelmersh

Enum.District:

Eccl.District:

St.Andrews

Parish:

Mottisfont

City/Borough:

Romsey Union - New Forest

Address:

Hatt Hill, Mottisfont

County:

Hampshire

Name

Relation

Condition

Sex

Age

Occupation

Employ Status

Where Born

Henry Tate

Head

Railway Inspector

Employed

Navigation, Glamorgan

Mary Tate

Wife

Lockerley, Hants

William J Tate

Son

Scholar

West Dean, Wilts/Hants

Robert H Tate

Son

Scholar

West Dean, Wilts/Hants

Norman Tate

Son

Scholar

Mottisfont, Hants

Matthew T Tate

Son

Scholar

Mottisfont, Hants

Milchem B Tate

Son

Scholar

Mottisfont, Hants

Bertha M Tate

Daughter

Mottisfont, Hants

Cit. Date: 5 April 1891.

Source: 1891 RG12 0931 047 15 TATE, Henry, 1891 RG12 0931 047 15 TATE, Henry FindMyPast

GRO, TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1901 Marriage (1901 Q3 Poplar 1c 838 306).

Text From Source:
Page:	158
District:	Poplar
Place:	Parish Church
Parish:	St.Stephen Bow
County:	London
Entry No:	306
When:	27 July 1901
Name:	William James Tate	Maud Lilian Flowers
Age:	25 years	20 years
Condition:	Bachelor	Spinster
Profession:	Plumber	-
Residence:	164 Devons Road	164 Devons Road
Father:	Henry Tate	William Flowers (d.)
Profession:	Blacksmith	Railway Signalman
Witnesses:	George Gosson & Jessie Eliza Marston
Married after Banns by Henry C Leason Vicar

Index 335: TATE, William James	Poplar	1c 838
Index 119: FLOWERS, Maud Lilian	Poplar	1c 838.

Cit. Date: 27 July 1901.

Source: TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1901 Marriage, TATE, William James 1901-07-27 Marriage

Source: TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1901 Marriage, TATE, William James 1901 Q3 Marr FreeBMD

Source: TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1901 Marriage, FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1901 Q3 Marr FreeBMD

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917, TATE, Sidney 1903 Baptism (Page 41 No 366).

Text From Source: Birth Date

Baptism

Child name

Parent names

Abode

Trade

By Whom

8 Oct 1903

1 Nov 1903

Sidney

William James & Maud Lily Tate

1 Burdett St

Gas Fitter

E.L.Field

Cit. Date: 1 November 1903.

Source: TATE, Sidney 1903 Baptism, TATE, Sidney 1903-11-01 Baptism Ancestry

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917, TATE, Gladys Ivy 1905 Baptism (Page 62 No 555).

Text From Source: Birth Date

Baptism

Child name

Parent names

Abode

Trade

By Whom

4 Jan 1905

22 Jan 1905

Gladys Ivy

William & Maud Tate

2 Streatfield Rd

Gas Fitter

W.H.Skrine

Cit. Date: 22 January 1905.

Source: TATE, Gladys Ivy 1905 Baptism, TATE, Gladys Ivy 1905-01-22 Baptism Ancestry

GRO, 1911 RG14 06130 RG78 0284 103 3 01 150 TATE, William James (RG14 06130 RG78 0284 103 3 01 150).

Text From Source:

District:

Winchester

Sub-district:

Twyford

Enum.District:

Eccl.District:

Parish:

Bishopstoke

City/Borough:

Address:

23 St.Margarets Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh

County:

Hampshire

Name

Relation

Sex

Age

Married

Occupation

Industry

Employ Status

At Home

Where Born

William James Tate

Head

Gas Fitter

Railway Works

Worker

Stockbridge, Hants

Maud Lilian Tate

Wife

M 9yrs

Atherstone, Warwickshire

William Tate

Son

Scholar

Bow, London

Gladys Ivy Tate

Dau

Scholar

Bow, London

Ronald Tate

Son

Bow, London

Winifred Tate

Dau

Bow, London

Matthew Tate

Son

Bow, London

Children

Born

Living

Died

Cit. Date: 2 April 1911.

Source: 1911 RG14 06130 RG78 0284 103 3 01 150 TATE, William James, 1911 RG14 06130 RG78 0284 103 3 01 150 TATE, William James FindMyPast

13	Locations Database Record 23 St.Margarets Road, Bishopstoke, Eastleigh, Hants
	District: Winchester.

Henry Tate, TATE, Henry 1930 Will.

Text From Source:
	This is the last Will and Testament of me Henry Tate of Treforest Chandlers Ford in the County of Southampton Retired Railway Foreman.
	I Hereby revoke all former Wills made by me. I appoint my Sons Henry Tate and William James Tate Executors and Trustees of this my Will.
	I direct my said Trustees to sell and convert into money my house known as Treforest Chandlers Ford and out of the clear moneys to arise from such sale my Trustees shall pay or provide for my debts, funeral and testamentary expenses and pay off the mortgage on my houses numbered 160, 162, and 164 Southampton Road, Eastleigh the residue of such clear monies to be equally divided between my seven children Henry Tate, William James Tate, Robert Heathcote Tate, Norman Tate, Matthew John Thomas Tate, Melcham Bernard Tate and Bertha Mary Tate. And as to all the rest residue and remainder of my estate whatsoever and wheresoever I Give and Devise the same to my said Trustees Upon trust to stand possessed thereof and to pay the income to arise therefrom unto my Daughter Bertha Mary Tate for and during her life or until her marriage. And upon the death or marriage of my said Daughter to realise the whole of such residue and pay and divide the proceeds thereof unto and equally between such of my said children as shall then be living, the child or children of any deceased child of mine to take his, her, or their parents share, and if more than one in equal proportions on attaining the age of Twenty one years.
	In Witness whereof I have to this my Last Will and Testament set my hand this Twenty second day of August One thousand nine hundred and thirty.
	Signed by the said Henry Tate the Testator as his last Will and Testament in the presence of us both present at the same time who in his presence at his request and in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses:-
	William James Cor, Rating & Valuation Officer, 21 Ruskin Road, Eastleigh
	Harold Herbert Ball, Collector, 45 Chamberlayne Road, Eastleigh

District:	Winchester
Handwritten Copy.

Cit. Date: 22 August 1930.

15	Locations Database Record Treforest, North End Road, Chandler's Ford, Eastleigh, Hants
	District: Winchester.

Florence Harriet Tate, TATE nee DODD, Florence Harriet 1938-1948 Notebook.

Text From Source:
Mrs F.H.Tate 38, Hall Road, East Ham E6
Mr Byford 26 Warrendu Avenue, Hornchurch
"Dear Jock" put to sleep Jan 15th 1938 aged 15 yrs
Bern's Certificates	No 61.78.710
Bern's Post Office	No 54485
Don's Certificates	No LC 30930
Don's Penny Bank	No 3.2.4 88
F.H.Tate Post office	No 55953
F.H.Tate Pension	No 31527789
Mr G A Hobbs 489, Southend Road, Hornchurch, Essex
Had "ZIP" 17th Sept 1940
also Don examined at Romford
Bern joined 7th Nov 1940
Don joined 25th Nov 1940
Don & Vera first visit after married, ended Aug 25th 1941 5 days
Bern returned Aug 26th 1941
Don & Vera home again Oct 25th 41 returned Oct 31st 1941
[log of subsequent home visits of Bern and Don & Vera 1941-1945]
Mr Wright called Aug 7th 1946
Bern went into hospital Aug 16th 1946
	Addresses
Uncle Bob	108 Desborough Road, Eastleigh, Hants
Uncle Bill	64 Southampton Road, Eastleigh, Hants
Mr Hackett	61 Coombe Park Road, Teignmouth, Devon
Mrs Sheppard	577 Charminster Road, Bournemouth, Hants
Milly	15 Melton Road, West Bridgeford, Notts
Gladys	97 Melton Road, West Bridgeford, Notts
Fred & Dolly	33 Cedar Drive, Upminster, Essex
Don & Vera	144 Rosebery Drive, Manor Park
Mrs Spedding	103 Sandhurst Drive,Ilford
Don & Vera	150 Victoria Road, St Baudax, Plymouth, Devon
Dolly & Fred	239 Aragon Road, Mordon Park, Surrey
First visit to Dr Easton Feb 18th 1939
High blood pressure & heart trouble [56 years of age died aged 82]
Visits to Salisbury & Romsey Abbey 16/8/36 also Wells Cathedral 23/8/36
	Birthdays
Dad	August 13th 1882
Mum	July 5th 1882
Fred	March 30th 1913
Bernard	May 9th 1914
Don	Dec 3rd 1919
George	June 5th 1869
Ethel	March 6th 1934	24 yrs
Arthur	Oct 7th 1933	21 yrs
Peggy	Oct 7th 1933	14 yrs
Gladys	14th Aug
Milly	10th May
Vera	24th July 1941	20
Dolly	10th Nov 1941	28
Roy Frederick	Aug 29th 1942
Roger Donald	Oct 3rd 1942
Lesley Ebeth	Jan 29th 1946
Ethel	Aug 24th 1946	26
Aunty Flower	Oct 16th 1947	56
Aunty Maggie	May 20th 1948	66
George's age	1926	57
Dad's age	1926	44
Annie died	9th Feb 1926	age 57 yrs
Fred died	1st June 1926	age 62 yrs
Jim died	2nd Dec 1926	age 63 yrs
Mum died	13th June 1912	age 71 yrs
Aunty Austin	31st Dec 1924	age 47 yrs
Jennie Willis		age 61 yrs
Auntie Evans died	July 16th 1933	age 79 yrs
Mr Lockyer died	June 23rd 1935	29 Hall Road
Granma Tate died	March 10th 1929	aged 82
Grandad Tate died	April 2nd 1938	aged 93
Mrs Lockyer	Jan 1941
Uncle Bob died	Jan 4th 1944
Uncle Flower	April 11th 1946
George died	March 9th 1941
Uncle Flower's son	29th Dec 1946

17	White, Brooks & Gilman, TATE, Bertha Mary 1956 Probate (J/YB).
	Text From Source: THE ESTATE OF MISS B. M. TATE DECEASED Distribution Balance £26 1s 11d Dated 28th March 1955 & April 1955 THE ESTATE OF MR. HENRY TATE DECEASED Distribution Balance £559 2s 8d Dated 8th Oct 1956
	District: Winchester.
	Cit. Date: 13 December 1956.

18	White, Brooks & Gilman, TATE, Henry 1958 Probate (J/PH).
	Text From Source: THE ESTATE OF HENRY TATE DECEASED FINAL ACCOUNT Distribution Balance £180 1s 9d Dated Sept 1958
	District: Winchester.
	Cit. Date: 26 September 1958.

19	GRO, TATE, William James 1966 Death (1966 Q2 Winchester 6b 789 D0713).
	Index D0713: TATE, William J. 92 Winchester 6b 789.
	Cit. Date: Q2 1966.

Mrs Cicely Cowley nee Tate, COWLEY nee TATE, Cicely W 1967 Letter.

Text From Source:
	65, Chamberlayne Road,
	Eastleigh,
	Hants
	2 - 1 - 1967
	Dear Don,
	Thank you for your letter, we got the message through your Xmas card, thanks again.
	Sorry to hear Uncle Mat is ill, it was kind of you to write to us and let us know about him. We have exchanged Xmas Greetings and the odd letter or so over the years and Father always referred to him as Young Mat.
	Uncle Bill died a few weeks ago, he was a wonderful old fellow, he got around until quite recently. I often saw him with his wheelbarrow pondering how best to get it on to the pavement. I never interfered with him, he became so forgetful and I thought it best not to confuse him, he always managed. Perhaps you have heard from his family by this time.
	I will write to Uncle Mat, thank you once again for letting us know about him. Perhaps we could meet some time? I am by the way, cousin Cicely, Cis for short.
	Sincerely yours,
	C. Cowley (Mrs.)

District: Winchester.

Cit. Date: 2 January 1967.

Minnie Hutchens, HUTCHENS nee OLDEN, Minnie 1966 Dec Letter.

Text From Source:
	Woodside
	Danes Rd
	Awbridge
	Nr Romsey
	Hants
	My dear Don,
	Thank you for your letter. I hope your father has continued to improve and perhaps able to come home again.
	Yes, as you say it has been a pity that the family seems to have lost contact with each other.
	You mentioned your Uncle Bill. For some years I had a card and a nice letter from him until this last Christmas when nothing came, so I am wondering if something has happened to him.
	I think that both Jack & Lily Shepherd have passed on. I have not heard anything of them for years. There was a brother Art Nicklen. They were the son and daughter of my Dad's sister who was your Grandmother's sister at Bournemouth.
	If you can ever get down this way, we should be pleased to welcome you. We are about 3½ miles from Romsey, and 11 from Southampton.
	My two sons live quite close to me. I am not enjoying this weather very much. It has been a very wet day today.
	Now I must close with kind remembrances to your Dad.
	Yours sincerely,
	Cousin Minnie Hutchens

District: Romsey.

Cit. Date: 28 December 1966 (calculated).

Julianne Tate, ~My Heritage~Tate Web Site (www.myheritage.com/site-76848741/tate).

Text From Source:

TATE, William

Marriage

Sep 16

1976 sic

BAST, Matilda

TATE, Philip M

Birth

1878

TATE, Henry

Birth

1845

Llanrabon, Glamorgan, Wales / Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

Christen

16th Mar

1845/46

TATE, William James

Death

Apr 18

1966

Marriage

July 27

1901

Poplar, Middlesex, Tower Hamlets

FLOWERS, Maud Lilian

Marriage

July 27

1901

Poplar, Middlesex, Tower Hamlets

TATE, William James

Death

July 12

1969

Mount Hospital Bishopstoke Eastleigh

TATE, Ronald

Birth

Sep 14

1906

Poplar, Bromley, London

Residence

32 Grantham Road, Eastleigh, Hampshire SO5 5FJ

Occupation

Coach Maker / Setter OUt (Railways)

Marriage

Apr 27

1929

St Margarets Church Eastney Southsea

FELLOWES, Lilian Harriett

Death

May 5

1983

Southampton on the way to General Hospital, Southampton

FELLOWES, Lilian Harriett

Birth

Nov 6

1906

Edmonton, Wood Green

Marriage

Apr 27

1929

St Margarets Church Eastney Southsea

TATE, Ronald

Death

June 4

1984

Hallowell House 64/66 Hallowell Road

23	Eastleigh Cemetery, TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1969 Gravestone.
	Text From Source: < illegible heading > WILLIAM JAMES TATE April 18th 1966 aged 92 MAUD LILIAN TATE July 12th 1969 aged 88
	Eastleigh Cemetery photos at: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2296209/eastleigh-cemetery.

Source: TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1969 Gravestone, TATE, William James & FLOWERS, Maud Lilian 1969 Gravestone

24	Natalie Victoria Hyde, HYDE nee HILL, Natalie Victoria 2018 Email (https://www.ancestry.com/connect/messagecenter/folder/inbox).
	Text From Source: Natalie Hyde Jan 06, 2019 Thanks Mike that’s great. I went to the cemetery today and found the grave stone of William James Tate and Maud Lillian...I will put the picture up. I couldn’t find Maud Tate (age 1) as there was no stone. I will go again soon! Thanks tatewise5a Jan 04, 2019 Hi Natalie, The person next to William has now appeared as Sidney TATE who you have baptised 1 Nov 1903, born 8 Oct 1903, but sadly died Q1 1904 all in Poplar, London. I have research the 1841, 1851, 1861 Census records for Eliza Taylor, which is often the best way to find family relationships. 1841 has the Hayward & Taylor family in East Knoyle, Mere, Wilts: Susanna Hayward age 60 (mother of Emily & Eliza) Emily Hayward age 20 William Taylor age 30 (father of children below) Eliza Taylor age 26 (nee Hayward mother of children) Eliza Taylor age 1 with three older siblings John, William & Susanna 1851 has four of the above also in East Knoyle, Mere, Wilts: Susan Hayward Widow 73 (so William died between 1841 & 1851) Emily Hayward Head 31 John Taylor Nephew 17 Eliza Taylor Niece 10 Not found in 1861 yet, but have parish marriage in East Knoyle: 08 Jul 1833 William Taylor and Elizabeth Hayward with witnesses John Taylor and Thomas Hayward Hope that helps, Mike Tate Natalie Hyde Jan 04, 2019 Mike - I cant seem to get some correct information for the Mother of Eliza, I know that's veering off the track of Tate however. All I seem to have found is her maiden name of Hayward. I cant see anything next to William Tate, so not sure what that is... thanks Natalie Natalie Hyde Jan 04, 2019 Happy new year Mike. I was going to say hope you had a restful Christmas break but by the amount of info you've found you must of been hard at the research! Thank you for finding the true surname of Eliza, when I found POWELL I must say I wasn't 100% sure. and thank you for the tip on the GRO website, not heard of that before so that's makes it easier to check mothers maiden names! They are all my Aunts and Uncles and my mother is the youngest; born on 3rd December 1961. My husband is Jonathan Matthew Cockburn - Born 5th July 1985 I will have a look at the private entry next to William Tate...and write another message! best wishes Natalie tatewise5a Jan 02, 2019 Happy New Year Natalie, I found time between the festivities to review & research this part of the family tree, mainly focussing on the 1939 Register, but many other records too. The updated trees are online as listed below, followed by a summary of my key discoveries. http://www.tatewise.co.uk/ancestry/ https://www.zoompast.com/tree/public_tree_of_user?user_name=tatewise&tree_id=10038 Your great-grandmother was born Maud Lily Flowers, and did not adopt the middle name Lilian until she was 20. Her mother was Eliza TAYLOR (1840-1907) not POWELL. That is proved by the free GRO Online Index Search at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp Name: FLOWERS, MAUD LILY Mother's Maiden Surname: TAYLOR GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter ATHERSTONE 06D 450 Unless you have a Birth Certificate, etc, that proves differently. I have significantly updated your great-aunts & uncles, the siblings of Lilian & Maud, but in your tree there is a Private entry next to William TATE. Can you give me any clues to their identity. Also I have few conclusive details for Winifred TATE. I have found the following possible children of your grandparents. Which ones are actually your aunts & uncles? Q1 1942 Diane Winchester 2c 266 Q4 1944 Robert J New Forest 2b 1156 Q4 1946 Lynda Winchester 6b 1207 Q1 1956 Roger P Winchester 6b 1040 Q3 1957 Julie A Winchester 6b 1102 Best Regards and fruitful researching in 2019, Mike Tate Natalie Hyde Dec 21, 2018 That's a fantastic website you've built Mike, its great to know all my research has been correct. They were twins yes, Maud died aged 1 in 1920...which I've only just been able to confirm to my Mum recently as they were never sure. no idea what of however. They were born in 97 Nutbeem Road, Eastleigh. Lilian died on 23rd March 1974. On my tree, you can see all the further research of the other siblings. I will let you know of anything else I find out in Brookwood very best wishes, have a great Christmas Natalie tatewise5a Dec 20, 2018 Hi Natalie, Henry and Mary are my great-grandparents and my descendant line is through their son Matthew John Thomas, and his son Bernard. I have comprehensive family records at http://www.tatewise.co.uk/ancestry/ that you are welcome to visit. A link on the Home page takes you to Matthew John Thomas TATE my grandfather where you can easily navigate to either Henry TATE or William James TATE. You can also find people via the Index tab. The same family tree is shown in a novel presentation at https://www.zoompast.com/tree/public_tree_of_user?user_name=tatewise&tree_id=9990. You speak of “Lillian and her baby sister Maud” but my research shows their births were registered together in Q2 1919 so they appear to be twins. Currently I have little more than birth dates for their siblings, but a short search quickly found further records, so I suspect I will be adding to this branch soon. I would certainly be interested in anything you discover at the Brookwood cemetery is in Eastleigh. Merry Christmas, Mike Tate Natalie Hyde Dec 13, 2018 Hi Mike, thanks for your reply. What line do you decent from? I found you as your username was on some of the images you had submitted on Ancestry, such as the grave stone of Henry and Mary and the marriage certificates. Brookwood cemetary is in Eastleigh, Hampshire - which is where my immediate family is from. So Henry and Mary Tate are there, Lillian and her baby sister Maud, and William J and Maud Lillian. Then several siblings I believe too. I plan to go this weekend so will take some photos of we find them. My maternal Grandmother Lillian died when my mother was 12, so the main reason for my research was so she could know when she came from and any further info...it’s been nice to show her some bits! Best Wishes and look forward to hearing from you Natalie tatewise5a Dec 13, 2018 Hi Natalie, That is really interesting and opens up a new branch on my tree. I think it makes us 2nd cousins once removed. I've 9 siblings of Lilian Lewis nee Tate with birth dates & places, but only a few more details for two of them. As a matter of interest where did you find my family tree? Was it on Ancestry or somewhere else? Where exactly is Brookwood Cemetery as I could not find it near where many of my ancestors are known to have died? Which members of the Tate family are buried there? Hope to hear from you soon. Regards, Mike Tate Natalie Hyde Dec 11, 2018 Hi there - I’ve used so much of your amazing research in my own search for the Tate’s! I think Henry and Mary Tate are my great great grandparents. My mum is Sharon Lewis, her mum was Lillian Tate, her dad and mum were William J Tate and Maud Lillian Flowers and then his dad Henry Tate. I’m hoping my research is correct. Almost the whole Tate family are buried in Brookwood Cemetary about half a mile from where I live! If you could tell me anymore about the Tate’s that would be amazing - best wishes Natalie Hyde nee Hill

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Natalie Hyde
Jan 06, 2019

Thanks Mike that’s great.

I went to the cemetery today and found the grave stone of William James Tate and Maud Lillian...I will put the picture up. I couldn’t find Maud Tate (age 1) as there was no stone. I will go again soon!

Thanks

tatewise5a
Jan 04, 2019

Hi Natalie,
The person next to William has now appeared as Sidney TATE who you have baptised 1 Nov 1903, born 8 Oct 1903, but sadly died Q1 1904 all in Poplar, London.

I have research the 1841, 1851, 1861 Census records for Eliza Taylor, which is often the best way to find family relationships.

1841 has the Hayward & Taylor family in East Knoyle, Mere, Wilts:
Susanna Hayward age 60 (mother of Emily & Eliza)
Emily Hayward age 20
William Taylor age 30 (father of children below)
Eliza Taylor age 26 (nee Hayward mother of children)
Eliza Taylor age 1 with three older siblings John, William & Susanna

1851 has four of the above also in East Knoyle, Mere, Wilts:
Susan Hayward Widow 73 (so William died between 1841 & 1851)
Emily Hayward Head 31
John Taylor Nephew 17
Eliza Taylor Niece 10

Not found in 1861 yet, but have parish marriage in East Knoyle:
08 Jul 1833 William Taylor and Elizabeth Hayward
with witnesses John Taylor and Thomas Hayward

Hope that helps, Mike Tate

Natalie Hyde
Jan 04, 2019

Mike - I cant seem to get some correct information for the Mother of Eliza, I know that's veering off the track of Tate however. All I seem to have found is her maiden name of Hayward.

I cant see anything next to William Tate, so not sure what that is...

thanks

Natalie

Natalie Hyde
Jan 04, 2019

Happy new year Mike. I was going to say hope you had a restful Christmas break but by the amount of info you've found you must of been hard at the research!

Thank you for finding the true surname of Eliza, when I found POWELL I must say I wasn't 100% sure. and thank you for the tip on the GRO website, not heard of that before so that's makes it easier to check mothers maiden names!

They are all my Aunts and Uncles and my mother is the youngest; born on 3rd December 1961.

My husband is Jonathan Matthew Cockburn - Born 5th July 1985

I will have a look at the private entry next to William Tate...and write another message!

best wishes

Natalie

tatewise5a
Jan 02, 2019

Happy New Year Natalie,
I found time between the festivities to review & research this part of the family tree, mainly focussing on the 1939 Register, but many other records too. The updated trees are online as listed below, followed by a summary of my key discoveries.

http://www.tatewise.co.uk/ancestry/

https://www.zoompast.com/tree/public_tree_of_user?user_name=tatewise&tree_id=10038

Your great-grandmother was born Maud Lily Flowers, and did not adopt the middle name Lilian until she was 20.
Her mother was Eliza TAYLOR (1840-1907) not POWELL.
That is proved by the free GRO Online Index Search at
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Name: FLOWERS, MAUD LILY
Mother's Maiden Surname: TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter ATHERSTONE 06D 450
Unless you have a Birth Certificate, etc, that proves differently.

I have significantly updated your great-aunts & uncles, the siblings of Lilian & Maud, but in your tree there is a Private entry next to William TATE. Can you give me any clues to their identity.
Also I have few conclusive details for Winifred TATE.

I have found the following possible children of your grandparents.
Which ones are actually your aunts & uncles?
Q1 1942 Diane Winchester 2c 266
Q4 1944 Robert J New Forest 2b 1156
Q4 1946 Lynda Winchester 6b 1207
Q1 1956 Roger P Winchester 6b 1040
Q3 1957 Julie A Winchester 6b 1102

Best Regards and fruitful researching in 2019,
Mike Tate

Natalie Hyde
Dec 21, 2018

That's a fantastic website you've built Mike, its great to know all my research has been correct.

They were twins yes, Maud died aged 1 in 1920...which I've only just been able to confirm to my Mum recently as they were never sure. no idea what of however. They were born in 97 Nutbeem Road, Eastleigh. Lilian died on 23rd March 1974.

On my tree, you can see all the further research of the other siblings.

I will let you know of anything else I find out in Brookwood

very best wishes, have a great Christmas

Natalie

tatewise5a
Dec 20, 2018

Hi Natalie,

Henry and Mary are my great-grandparents and my descendant line is through their son Matthew John Thomas, and his son Bernard.

I have comprehensive family records at
http://www.tatewise.co.uk/ancestry/
that you are welcome to visit.
A link on the Home page takes you to Matthew John Thomas TATE my grandfather where you can easily navigate to either Henry TATE or William James TATE.
You can also find people via the Index tab.

The same family tree is shown in a novel presentation at
https://www.zoompast.com/tree/public_tree_of_user?user_name=tatewise&tree_id=9990.

You speak of “Lillian and her baby sister Maud” but my research shows their births were registered together in Q2 1919 so they appear to be twins.
Currently I have little more than birth dates for their siblings, but a short search quickly found further records, so I suspect I will be adding to this branch soon.

I would certainly be interested in anything you discover at the Brookwood cemetery is in Eastleigh.

Merry Christmas, Mike Tate

Natalie Hyde
Dec 13, 2018

Hi Mike, thanks for your reply. What line do you decent from? I found you as your username was on some of the images you had submitted on Ancestry, such as the grave stone of Henry and Mary and the marriage certificates. Brookwood cemetary is in Eastleigh, Hampshire - which is where my immediate family is from.

So Henry and Mary Tate are there, Lillian and her baby sister Maud, and William J and Maud Lillian. Then several siblings I believe too. I plan to go this weekend so will take some photos of we find them.

My maternal Grandmother Lillian died when my mother was 12, so the main reason for my research was so she could know when she came from and any further info...it’s been nice to show her some bits!

Best Wishes and look forward to hearing from you

Natalie

tatewise5a
Dec 13, 2018

Hi Natalie,
That is really interesting and opens up a new branch on my tree.
I think it makes us 2nd cousins once removed.
I've 9 siblings of Lilian Lewis nee Tate with birth dates & places, but only a few more details for two of them.
As a matter of interest where did you find my family tree? Was it on Ancestry or somewhere else?
Where exactly is Brookwood Cemetery as I could not find it near where many of my ancestors are known to have died?
Which members of the Tate family are buried there?
Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards, Mike Tate

Natalie Hyde
Dec 11, 2018

Hi there - I’ve used so much of your amazing research in my own search for the Tate’s! I think Henry and Mary Tate are my great great grandparents. My mum is Sharon Lewis, her mum was Lillian Tate, her dad and mum were William J Tate and Maud Lillian Flowers and then his dad Henry Tate. I’m hoping my research is correct. Almost the whole Tate family are buried in Brookwood Cemetary about half a mile from where I live! If you could tell me anymore about the Tate’s that would be amazing - best wishes Natalie Hyde nee Hill